Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:03): It is the case that drivers of inflation are multifaceted, and we don't walk away from that, which is why we have put in place those measures which are contributing to, and have contributed to, downward pressure on inflation. And we see that particularly in the context of energy prices and also in the context of our fiscal policy. Senator Hume: But they're going up! Senator WONG: Well, you are smart enough, Senator Hume, to understand— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WONG: You are. You are smart enough to understand what would have been, and maybe you might want to explain to your colleagues what would have been, and what the prices would have been, if the government had not put in place the energy plan. Inflation would be higher. I would also make the point that we have delivered a $22.1 billion surplus. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WONG: I know that pains you. (Time expired). Senator Paterson: Just a little backhanded! The PRESIDENT: Order! Thank you, Senator Paterson. When I call order, I expect there to be order. I would ask senators to stop clapping. It adds to the disruption in this place. Senator Hume, a second supplementary?