Senator TYRRELL (Tasmania—Jacqui Lambie Network Whip) (14:41): I've just got a text; I'm having a meeting with him next week. Students are also required to take on a HELP debt for the cost of their unpaid placement. Basically, the student isn't being paid and their training provider isn't being paid, but the university is being paid. Does the minister believe it's fair that universities get paid a full unit's fee for a course they don't have to actually deliver?