Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:24): I thank Senator Shoebridge for his question. It's interesting that Senator Hanson-Young or Senator Pocock hasn't asked that question, because, of course, the prospect of Australia building those submarines in South Australia is going to be a wonderful opportunity. The PRESIDENT: Senator Shoebridge? Senator Shoebridge: This is not about the submarines— The PRESI DENT: Senator Shoebridge, why are you on your feet? Senator Shoebridge: It's relevance. I ask you to bring the minister— The PRESIDENT: You're rising on a point of order. Senator Shoebridge: Correct. The PRESIDENT: Then you need to stand and indicate it's a point of order. Senator Shoebridge: Point of order. The PRESIDENT: Thank you. Senator Shoebridge: The minister is not being relevant. The question is not about boats that might be built from 2040 in South Australia, which he seems fixated on. It's the boats that you're not going to get out of the United States from 2030, built in the US. The PRESIDENT: You are now getting into a debating point, Senator Shoebridge. I'll remind Minister Farrell of your question. Se nator FARRELL: I simply don't agree with the fundamental premise of your question, Senator Shoebridge. Australia, the United States and the United Kingdom have reached an agreement on a program to increase our defence capabilities in a more dangerous world. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but a small country like Ukraine has just been invaded, illegally and immorally, by— Senator Shoebridge: On a point of order, the question at no point referenced the Ukraine but is about congressional approval for Virginia-class submarines being made available to Australia. Could you please direct the minister to the question. The PRESIDENT: The minister is answering your question. You may not like the answer, but he nevertheless has answered the question. Minister Farrell, please continue. Senator FARRELL: Can I say this: we've got a fantastic ambassador in the United States in former prime minister Rudd— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Canavan! And Senator McKenzie! Senator FARRELL: and I know that our ambassador in the United States has ensured that AUKUS has strong bipartisan and bicameral support right across congress. During the AUSMIN discussions, Secretary Austin and Secretary Blinken were confident there would continue to be strong bipartisan support for this initiative. So your assumptions— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Shoebridge, your first supplementary?