Mr ANDREWS (Menzies—Minister for Social Services) (14:45): I thank the member for Charlton for his question. There is a reality that does not seem to have dawned upon the members of the Australian Labor Party. That reality is that their party when in government ran budget deficit after budget deficit after budget deficit. We have now inherited the Bowen black hole. We have a huge debt, which has been expanding every year since— Mr Dreyfus: Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I call on the minister to withdraw the phrase he has just used. It is clearly disorderly. It is clearly offensive and should form no part of the deliberations of this parliament, let alone an answer in question time from a minister. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: We will have silence. If the reference was to the term 'Bowen black hole', it is not unparliamentary. Indeed, there has been a long history in this place—prior to your entering it—of members who have been treasurers utilising that term. Mr Dreyfus: Madam Speaker, if I could be further heard on this point: I again suggest that this is offensive and offends in particular against the principle that members should be referred to by their electorates or their titles. The SPEAKER: There is no point of order. Mr ANDREWS: I will tell you who this is offensive to: it is offensive to the Australian people, who are now struggling with the debt that you left them. That is the reality. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: There is too much noise on my left! Mr ANDREWS: Oh, my, how sensitive they are when we talk about the deficits and the debt mountain they have left the Australian people. Do not come in here and ask stupid questions. The SPEAKER: I ask that there be less cacophony, if we like the term, in the chamber so that the questions and the answers can be heard.