Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:40): I would make the point that I think the senator is asking me a question about the consultation process which is still underway and which her deputy leader, not Senator Cash but Ms Ley, commenced. It was a process for discussion that was supported by calls from the member for Leichhardt. The Deputy Leader of the Opposition said: This is about the government working with Indigenous Australians … In fact, Senator Duniam even said the Juukan Gorge— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator Reynolds: President, I raise a point of order on direct relevance. The question was: how many times specifically has the minister consulted with the NFF? The PRESIDENT: I believe the minister has been answering that. I'll continue to listen carefully. Senator WONG: As I said, this process was begun under Ms Ley. I was trying to quote Senator Duniam, but I can understand why people might want to interject. He said the Juukan Gorge events were: … so disastrous that they made it very clear that comprehensive work needed to begin, as a matter of urgency, on modernising Indigenous heritage protection laws … Senator Reynolds: Again, President, I raise a point of order on direct relevance. The question was: how many times specifically has the minister—as in Minister Plibersek—consulted? There are four seconds to go and the minister has gone nowhere near answering that. The PRESIDENT: Senator Reynolds, it doesn't need your commentary on it. You've called the point of order. I said I would remind the minister of that part of your question, which I have done. Senator WONG: I will get advice on how many times she has met with the NFF.