Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:30): Thank you to Senator Hanson for the question. Senator Hanson may be aware that the transition from carbon-intensive energy generation to renewables did occur earlier in South Australia. I think we all know there have been challenges with how that has been. With that, given the speed with which that had to occur— An honourable senator interjecting — Senator WONG: It did have to occur, yes. I would make this point: the reason that we say renewables are cheaper is that's what the data shows. I would refer you to— Senator McKenzie: What data? Senator WONG: Well, the AEMO, the electricity market operator— Honourable senators interjecting— Senator WONG: Well, this is like the fact-free debate we had in the coalition for 10 years, and which is why we are where we are. But, if I could just go back so I can answer Senator Hanson's question, the electricity market operator said: Less volatile market conditions, improved generation availability and higher renewable output put downward pressure on wholesale electricity prices, increased market share of lower marginal cost renewables, helped push down the wholesale electricity cost from Q2 2022, despite the quarter having the highest Q2 underlying demand recorded since 2016. Senator Hanson, I know you don't agree with this, but I'm simply saying to you that the advice to government and the advice from the market operator—not a politician, not a lobbyist but the entity in charge of running the electricity market—has made clear that renewables— The PRESIDENT: Senator Roberts, on a point of order. Senator Roberts: Senator Wong is talking about Australia, not South Australia. She's hiding behind averages. The PRESIDENT: That's not a point of order, Senator Roberts. Minister, please continue. Senator WONG: I was responding to the point that Senator Hanson made, where she disputed renewables being cheaper. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Hanson, first supplementary?