Senator O ' SULLIVAN (Western Australia—Deputy Opposition Whip in the Senate) (14:32): My question is to the Minister representing the Treasurer, Senator Gallagher. On Monday this week, in response to a question from Senator Bragg, you said: Because of the nature of defined benefits, they will be included in the scheme, and we announced that when we announced the measure. … We expect that the changes will definitely cover defined benefit schemes, and there are a couple of areas that we are going to consult on and that we want some industry advice on. Can the minister confirm that veterans who are eligible to access a defined benefit scheme will be caught up in Labor's new super tax?