Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:49): Thank you for that question, Senator Lambie. Senator Lambie would be well aware that, for a number of years leading into the last election, it was Labor's clear policy to abolish the ABCC. That was because it had completely failed workers in the building industry and firms in the building industry as well. Senator Lambie—through the President—if you haven't already seen these statistics, I'm happy to show you the figures that show that the entire time the ABCC was in existence productivity on building sites actually fell. It went backwards. So, for all the claims that were made that it was going to be the solution to productivity and drive the industry forward, the facts actually show that the industry went backwards on productivity, let alone the gross waste of taxpayers' money we saw under the ABCC, pursuing trivial matters through the courts. We just went through again at estimates recently the legal expenditure— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I remind those on my left this is Senator Lambie's question. She has the right to hear the answer in silence. As you're well aware, as everyone in this chamber is aware, the crossbenchers do not get the same opportunity as the major parties to ask questions. I would ask you to be courteous and allow Senator Lambie to hear the answer in silence. Minister, please continue. Senat or WATT: Senator Lambie, I can assure you that this government takes workplace conduct, whether it be of workers, businesses or unions, very seriously. That's why, under the system that we're proposing, the Fair Work Ombudsman will have a range of powers to take action where that's warranted. Our fundamental point is that we don't think that different workers should be treated differently. We should have one regulator of conduct on worksites, and that is the Fair Work Ombudsman. We don't need an additional body for one industry that pursues workers and unions and leaves employers alone when we all know that in the building industry there are rogue employers as well. The ABCC never did anything about that. It did very little to recover underpayments to workers. That's a very serious issue. We think the Fair Work Ombudsman is the appropriate place to do that work. The PRESIDENT: Senator Lambie, a first supplementary question?