Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:17): It is urgent that we pass these reforms before Christmas because they will be good for workers, they will be good for small businesses and they will be good for the economy. Senator Pocock and Senator Lambie, we all know that you have important decisions to make about this legislation in the coming days, and I encourage you to think about the arguments that we are putting forward and that small businesses are putting forward. Or you can decide to line up with that rabble over there, who want to continue to keep Australia in conflict, with low wages and low productivity. I know enough about Senator Pocock and Senator Lambie to know that they want to see agreements and they want to see cooperation in workplaces that delivers to businesses and to workers. That is exactly what we are putting forward here. The comments that we saw at the Senate inquiry, made by representatives of childcare centres and representatives of manufacturing industries, indicate that— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, please resume your seat. Senator David Pocock. Senator David Pocock: I rise on a point of order, President. Could the minister please direct his comments through the President? Thank you. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senators on my left! Minister Watt, please direct your contributions to the chair. Senator WATT: Thank you, President. Through you, President, I say to Senator Pocock and Senator Lambie: take the evidence of the committee inquiry into account. We heard from childcare representatives and we heard from manufacturing representatives who said that multi-employer bargaining is what they want—it's good for their business and good for their workers. (Time expired)