Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:01): I thank Senator Liddle for that question and for her deep and sincere interest in this area of policy. When I answered that question on the last time it was raised, of course the answer I gave was the correct answer, and the— Senator Canavan: You were rolled. Senator FARRELL: No, we haven't been rolled. No, I don't get rolled. I'm simply making the observation that the statement I provided to the Senate on the last occasion that I was asked this question was the correct answer. I think the difficulty that the opposition is having with this whole cashless debit card issue is that there's a lack of understanding that, although you had this sort of policy that you were all committed to and you believed it was working and successful in the communities that you'd applied to, all of the evidence that has now come out— The PRESIDENT: Minister, could you resume your seat, please. Senator Ruston: On a point of order, I believe the senator on this side of the chamber was asking a very specific question around the extension of instruments that relate to income management in the Northern Territory. The minister seems to be referring to the cashless debit card, which is not the subject of the actual question. Do you think you could perhaps ask the minister if he could address the issue about the proposed extension of income management via the BasicsCard in the Northern Territory? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Ruston. The minister is being directly relevant. He has responded to the question as it was asked. Please continue, Minister. Senator FARRELL: I don't think I could've been more directly relevant or more directly answering the question that I was asked. I was asked a question about statements I'd made on a previous occasion in the Senate when I was asked similar questions, and I thought I answered that question as directly as it is possible to do, and I can't think of anything else I could have said. The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Birmingham. Senator Birmingham: President, there was one question here about whether these instruments would be extended. If Senator Farrell, who has now taken a minute and 56 seconds, is unable to provide that answer, he should commit to come back to the chamber, and do so promptly, given they expire and sunset this week. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Birmingham. The minister was also asked about a question he'd been asked previously, and he is being directly relevant. Senator FARRELL: As I was saying— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Liddle, your first supplementary question?