Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:25): Thank you, Senator Grogan, for your advocacy on climate and other progressive issues over many years. Those on this side of the chamber understand that action on climate change isn't just good for the future of the country, it isn't just necessary because of the situation we see around the globe; it's also good for our economy and it's good for Australian jobs. That's what it's good for. I know this is difficult for those opposite to understand. After nine years of the climate wars being a centrepiece of their political project, it is hard for them to understand that there is actually a way forward that is about jobs and about dealing with climate. The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: Madam President, I am seeking advice from you as to whether this question is in order. The PRESIDENT: Is this a point of order? Senator Ruston: No, I'm actually seeking some advice from you in relation to whether this question is in order given the matter that is currently before debate in this chamber in government business. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Ruston. I will seek some advice. Senator Ruston, as long as anyone answering the question does not go to the specifics of the bill before the Senate, then it is perfectly fine to talk in generalities in the way the minister is doing. Senator WONG: Thank you. I anticipated this might happen, actually. Can I tell you why? Because we know those on the other side will do anything not to talk about climate change. You will do anything not to talk about climate action. You will do anything not to debate the bill. You will do anything to ignore that the Australian people clearly voted for action on climate. You can't bear it, can you? You can't bear it. You can't bear it that the climate wars that you thought would continue to yield a political dividend might actually end. You can't bear it. I would make the point, Madam President, that President Reid in 1999 made this point: that questions may not be asked on the detail of the bill or debate, but otherwise the topic is not barred from questioning. I know that it's a hard thing, isn't it? If you're a member of the coalition, you just don't want to talk about climate, because Senator Payne doesn't agree with Senator Canavan, and Senator McKenzie doesn't agree with Senator Ruston. They are utterly divided on this. They are utterly divided on this, and the voters know it. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Grogan, your first supplementary?