Senator DEAN SMITH (Western Australia) (14:17): If government spending will be higher—and I notice that Senator Gallagher didn't rule that out—under the Albanese government, won't this see fiscal policy work against monetary policy and mean that the Albanese government's spending will place further upward pressure on interest rates? Opposi tion senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I'm not going to call the minister until there is quiet. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McGrath and Senator Wong, I am waiting. Minister.