Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:12): You'll have to wait and see. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Order! I'm going to wait for quiet on both sides. Order! Senator GALLAGHER: The short answer to the question from Senator Smith—and I thank him for the question—is: you'll have to wait and see. That's what happens when you're in opposition. The budget will be published and you will be able to see. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator GALLAGHER: Well, I think anybody who followed Labor's very comprehensive fiscal plan— Senator McGrath interjecting— Senator Hughes interject ing— The PRESIDENT: Senators McGrath and Hughes. Senator GALLAGHER: Labor's plan for a better budget and a better future— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Order! I'm aware that you're standing, Senator Smith; I'm waiting for quiet. Senator Smith? Senator Dean Smith: A point of order, Madam President: standing order two one one—I'm just wondering whether Senator Gallagher could let us know how many pages are in the plan. The PRESIDENT : That might be a supplementary question you may wish to pursue, Senator Smith. Minister, please continue. Senator GALLAGHER: Senator Smith, that was tried in the campaign and it didn't go very far, I must say! It's more about the content, I think, than the number of pages. This is a very successful plan that we've outlined—very successful, as evidenced by this. That's how successful this plan was. The budget will be released in the normal way, with the papers that accompany it. I would say, because I do respect Senator Smith: we are going through a process, which we are being quite clear about, of looking at previous budget measures from the March budget, as to which ones of those should go ahead and which ones might not need to go ahead. We're looking at savings, where they can be sensibly found; we're implementing our savings on consultants and contractors—the audit of waste and rorts, indeed, that we are looking at—and we're going through it, program by program, with a big red pen— Honourable senators interjecting— Senator GALLAGHER: Well, we are going to be fiscally responsible. We are not going to be the vandals that you were, where you would just get billions of dollars and go: 'You know what? Barnaby Joyce wants some money somewhere, so here we go! We'll chuck it over there. We'll chuck it over here—Building Better Regions Fund. Oh, sorry, Barnaby; here's some more money!' The PRESIDENT: Minister! Senator GALLAGHER: We're not going to do that—we're not going to do it, it's not right! The PRESIDENT: Minister, resume your seat. Senator Henderson. Senator Henderson: Madam President, I have a point of order. I ask that the minister refer to members by their proper names. The PRESIDENT: I will draw that to the minister's attention, thank you, Senator Henderson. I remind all senators that people in this chamber and the other chamber need to be referred to by their correct titles. Minister. Senator GALLAGHER: The point I was making is that we will be fiscally responsible. We want to build a budget for a better future for Australia. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Smith, a first supplementary question.