Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:24): I know that Ms Burney and the Attorney have had some consultations on this, and I think the phrase 'co-designing' was used. But if I can get further information about the timing of that, I will do so. I'd make the point that we are seeking to progress this reform in the priority that has been identified by First Nations peoples. As I said, I appreciate that isn't your view, but it's the view of a great many who came together to form the Uluru Statement from the Heart, who are also democratic representatives in their own right, who are also democratic representatives in their own right of their peoples, and we are responding to that. But if I can get further information about the process of design for makarrata, I will do so. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Minister, your time has expired, and I would ask you to address your answers to questions through the chair. Senator Sterle.