Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Women) (15:09): Unsurprisingly, Senator Keneally is absolutely fundamentally wrong. But I'm from New South Wales, so I'm used to that, and the people of the electorate she's going to purport to represent at the next election are going to have to get used to that too. To be absolutely clear and in the absence of any facts from the other side, let me— The PRESIDENT: Order! Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: On a point of order. There is no universe in which that contribution was directly relevant to the question— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order in the chamber! Senator Wong: Mr President, I would ask you to remind the minister of the question. Senator Payne interjecting— The PRESIDENT: On the point of order, Minister Payne? Senator PAYNE: I began by saying, in my response to Senator Keneally's supplementary question, that she was absolutely and fundamentally wrong. That is completely pertinent to the question. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong, I've allowed you to bring the minister back to the question. Minister, you have 45 seconds remaining if you wish to add anything further. Senator PAYNE: I do wish to indicate that, in addition to the funding I've already discussed and the funding provided in the 2021-22 budget of over $137 million, there is an increase of 447 APS positions across the DVA, taking the total to over 2,000 Australian Public Service staff. The additional funding and the average staffing level numbers received through this budget will be used to recruit additional APS staff, both ongoing and non-ongoing, across DVA. In the claims processing area this will take into account that absolute requirement to reduce the backlog to which Minister Gee has been so committed over two years, and it will ensure appropriate staff are available to maintain claims processing at a normal rate into the future as is required. (Time expired) Senator Birmingham: I ask that further questions be placed on notice.