Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:30): You can always tell when the Leader of the Opposition is not coping with an argument, because he goes for the personal abuse. So you can always tell when he is not coping with an argument— Honourable members interjecting— Ms GILLARD: Well, the Leader of the Opposition is not coping with an argument! He is not coping with the argument because he is a man who stood alongside Prime Minister Howard in 2007 and stood for election on a platform of an emissions trading scheme. He is the man who had been out publicly supporting carbon pricing, and he is the man who described his change of position not as anything to do with the interests of the Australian nation and not anything to do with tackling climate change. He went to his closest colleagues and said, 'I'm a weather vane on this. I just get out the opinion polling and I work out what is in my political interests. I don't worry about the national interest. I don't worry about seas rising. I don't worry about climate change. I don't worry about any of that. The future is too complicated for me; it would require deep thinking.' So that is why— Mr Abbott: Speaker, I rise on a point of order. It is a very simple question: why wasn't she honest about this before the last election? She should answer that question. The SPEAKER: The Leader of the Opposition will resume his seat. The Prime Minister has the call. Ms GILLARD: The Leader of the Opposition is proving my point. He only has his current position because he believes it is in his political interest. I suggest that he goes back to the position he had when he was standing alongside John Howard, listening to John Howard spruik the merits of an emissions trading scheme. At least you believed in that! (Time expired) Mr Crean interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! No, the member for Hotham does not have the call, that is why I am reprimanding him.