Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Minister for Emergency Management and National Recovery and Resilience, Minister for Regionalisation, Regional Communications and Regional Education and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:34): Thank you, Senator Wong, for your question. I support the Prime Minister pursuing a technology-not-taxes approach to lowering our emissions in this country. As a species, the human species, over eons, has progressed through the adoption of technologies. The National Party in the Senate has been very, very clear: when it came to clean energy financing, we moved amendments and tabled amendments that backed the low emissions technologies of carbon capture and storage. I really wish we could get Larissa Waters and her team onto how we actually can protect jobs while simultaneously lowering emissions, and that is through those types of technologies. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Minister. Senator Gallagher, a point of order? Senator Gallagher: It is on direct relevance. Again, this minister is flagrantly ignoring the direction you've provided to her in question time. Raising issues about the Leader of the Greens in a question about whether she supports the Prime Minister's commitment on net zero cannot be directly relevant to the question she was asked. She's avoiding it. The PRESIDENT: Senator Gallagher, please resume your seat. As has been made clear by previous occupants of this chair, glancing references to other parties and glancing references to the policies of other parties is acceptable. It does need to be a glancing reference. At this stage, I do not believe it could be described as more than that. Senator McKenzie was addressing the question. Senator McKenzie, you have nine seconds. Did you wish to continue? Senator McKENZIE: When we talk about the Prime Minister's plan and our government's plan to use technology not taxes to lower emissions in this country, get on board with some of your smart unions who actually are backing nuclear. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie! I'm not sure what happened there, but the clocks suddenly went to zero. I will continue. Senator Wong, a second supplementary?