Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services, Minister for Women's Safety and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:19): Well, both of the programs to which Senator Sheldon refers are very, very important programs to support Australia's agricultural sector. In announcing yesterday the agreement that we're putting in place with our ASEAN friends, to make sure that we are able to support Australian farmers, who are often looking for labour and unable to fill their labour shortages in Australia, I think it is an exceptional initiative for us to be able to support people in our region but, at the same time, support our farmers, who are crying out for labour at the moment. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: Thank you, Mr President. The point of order is on direct relevance. The question goes directly to whether or not this new agricultural visa will mirror the Seasonal Worker Program or extend the working holiday scheme. They are different schemes with different conditions. We have not asked about those existing schemes. We've asked, as to the new scheme: which architecture will it follow? So I would ask you to remind the minister that she is not being asked to give us an explanation of why the SWP or the working holiday visa are such great things. She's being asked to explain the new agricultural visa. The PRESIDENT: And on that point: if I'm being asked to order the minister to go to explain the differences, I think that is going to the content of an answer. However, to be directly relevant— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Let me finish, please, Senator Wong. To be directly relevant, because it was a tightly-worded question, the minister must speak about the new scheme. But I can't direct the minister to answer about the content or the type of answer, which is when you're asking about differences. The minister can be directly relevant— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Well, Senator Wong, I'm listening very carefully. I will admit this is not an area of policy where I am as aware of the details as others in the chamber, but I am listening very carefully. I've allowed you to restate the question and I have made my ruling. Senator Ruston, you have 23 seconds remaining. Senator RUSTON: My understanding is that the new scheme will work alongside both the Seasonal Worker Program and the working holiday makers and that the exact and specific details of the new scheme are currently being worked out. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order. Senator RUSTON: I'm happy to come back to this chamber with more information around the exact details around the working of the— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Ruston— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Order! Senator Sheldon interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Sheldon, if I could have a moment, please— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senators on my left, we are wasting question time, which is traditionally a period for the non-government parties. I would not have been able to rule on a subsequent point of order then, because I could not hear Senator Ruston. So there is way too much noise in the chamber. Senator Sheldon, a final supplementary question?