Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate) (14:18): In the first question we used the figure $1.2 trillion, so I'm not quite sure where $1.7 trillion comes from. The supplementary question is: can the minister confirm if Senator Canavan is correct when he says, 'We have a higher debt to GDP than we have ever had since the end of World War II'? Is Senator Canavan correct?