Senator HUME (Victoria—Minister for Superannuation, Financial Services and the Digital Economy) (16:00): In fact, it wasn't just me that said that we wanted to give women an opportunity to leave a violent or menacing relationship; the CEO of HESTA said: Women already retire with almost half the super of men, and they shouldn't have to use their super for this purpose. But family violence is one of the rare situations in which short-term financial needs are more compelling than the need to preserve superannuation for retirement. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Hume! Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: On direct relevance. The CEO of a super fund is not the minister. The minister was asked about her quote, her own statement—'a terrific opportunity'. I ask her to return to the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, when the question concludes with 'why does the minister think it is' and refers to a quote the minister has made, I think it is also directly relevant if the minister is referring to supporting material in that. I'm listening carefully to the answer. At the moment I believe that is directly relevant. Senator HUME: Indeed, it wasn't just me that felt that this was an opportunity to give to women fleeing a menacing or dangerous relationship; it was also the CEO of the HESTA superannuation fund, and, indeed, Matt Linden, the deputy CEO of Industry Super Australia. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: This is a prior statement the minister has made. I understand your ruling enables some other material, but the question goes to comments this minister has made. I would ask her to return to the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, I will carefully review the Hansard. I genuinely believe that if someone is being asked why they hold a particular view it is directly relevant for them to refer to supporting material that may have been of persuasion or other matters. I will review the Hansard in detail and make sure I come back when we next sit. Senator HUME: Indeed, I am not the only one that believes this is an opportunity for women to flee a dangerous or menacing relationship. Matt Linden, the deputy CEO of Industry Super Australia, said: …allowing access to super in special circumstances could mean the difference between someone seeking vital help or not. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McAllister, a final supplementary question?