Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister for Employment, Skills, Small and Family Business and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:26): Again, the government has been very clear from day one. Any job lost as a result of COVID-19 is an absolute tragedy, but, as you know, this is a commercial decision for Qantas, and Qantas are entitled to make those decisions. I have some statistics in relation to stand ups and stand downs. This actually shows the effect of the global pandemic on the aviation industry. But we're also seeing that, as borders reopen, aviation companies are able to bring, as you know, their staff back on— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: The question actually related to outsourcing. Senator CASH: Yes, and I said it was a commercial decision. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash, have you concluded your answer? Senator CASH: Yes. The PRESIDENT: Senator Sheldon, a final supplementary question?