Senator WONG (South Australia—Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) (14:14): I refer to the minister's answer. I'm not seeking legal advice. The minister herself has made a public statement, including to this chamber, that the method of debt collection was not valid. She herself has indicated that. I am not going to the substance of legal advice. I am asking this government when you became aware of the method of debt collection not being valid. What was the date?