Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Finance, Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:12): I thank the senator for her question. As Senator Ruston has made clear time and time again, the government is always willing to respond in confidence in relation to individual cases to ensure that they are treated appropriately and assessed and handled appropriately. When senators come in here with these sorts of questions, it's difficult to respond to the personal circumstances without the full details. However, in relation to all of these matters, the government has worked through them. It has worked through the different issues in relation to the debts that were raised and has provided— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, on a point of order? Senator Watt: It's on relevance. The question wasn't about Nathan's circumstances; the question was about why Mr Morrison continued to pursue the robodebt program, despite knowing of these problems. The PRESIDENT: I make the point again: ministers can be directly relevant by being directly relevant to an assertion contained in a question. While I allowed you to restate the question there, Senator Watt, I think it's a stretch to say Senator Birmingham wasn't being directly relevant by addressing the first part and then going on to address the second part directly in the answer he was just giving. Senator BIRMINGHAM: The government has worked through these issues and in doing so has provided payments to address them that the Senate is well aware of. The PRESIDENT: Senator Kitching, a final supplementary question?