Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Finance, Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:03): I again draw attention to the figures that I just went through, which would—dependent, of course, upon Chloe's circumstances and Chloe's income—see very high rates of subsidy provided for the childcare fees that might be incurred. I note that the senator hasn't tried to give any of those sorts of details. He's constructed an example that doesn't actually allow anybody to compare whether it could be an 80 per cent or an 85 per cent rate of subsidy that is being paid. Indeed, in special circumstances, the government pays even more than that. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator BIRMINGHAM: I hear the senators ask: where's the calculator? Indeed, people can go onto the relevant Social Services websites, and they can ascertain how much support they are going to get. Yes, child care comes at a cost, but we subsidise that cost and we give the greatest support to those earning the lowest incomes. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Chisholm, a final supplementary question?