Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:20): I think the issue that Senator Hanson-Young is referencing there relates to state legislation, actually, not federal legislation. The second point I would make is that our government does not ever support environmental vandalism. We support environmental protection in a way that is economically responsible. We want to see opportunities created for Australians today and into the future to get ahead, while we are also preserving and protecting the great value of our environment. But we don't want to lock Australia up. We don't want to prevent further development that is environmentally responsible. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator CORMANN: The truth is, listening to the interjections—which I should be ignoring, I know—there is no level of development that the Greens would ever accept. If it came down to the Greens, we would all be going back into the caves. We wouldn't be driving any cars, although I'm sure you got here by a car. We wouldn't fly planes, although you came here by a plane. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Cormann. Senator Griff.