Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians and Minister for Youth and Sport) (14:00): The proportion of deaths in aged care as a proportion of the total deaths sits at about 70 per cent in Australia. That's not the exact number, but it's about 70 per cent, and it's about 0.17 per cent of the aged-care beds in Australia. The reason I made the relativity comment in the question I answered yesterday was that in the UK that relative number of deaths in residential aged care compared to the population is 5.3 per cent, which is over 30 times as bad as in Australia. It's worse than Australia by a factor of over 30 times. I don't say that to downplay any of the deaths that have occurred in Australia in residential aged care. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator COLBECK: In fact, the interjections are quite offensive. I'm not trying to do anything but state some actual facts with respect to this. The Labor Party might like to play politics with this. They might like to talk Australia's efforts down—that's fine—but, can I say, the public health response in Australia— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt! Senator Cormann on a point of order? Senator Watt: remember my rule about counting to 10 after your name has been called. Senator Cormann: Interjections are always disorderly, and I believe they're even more disorderly in the current environment where we are seeking to maintain a COVID-safe workplace. Senator Wong: On the point of order, I would respond to the Leader of the Government in the Senate by saying that this is about the minister's accountability for his incompetence in the portfolio, which has caused deaths. The PRESIDENT: That's not an appropriate way to address a point of order. I don't believe it was unparliamentary, but it was completely out of order to use a point of order for that. It is not up to me to rule which interjections are disorderly or not; they are always disorderly. Interjections are not a method for holding a minister accountable—questions and answers are. I ask senators to respect that and to hear the minister in silence. Senator COLBECK: Senator Walsh asked about the comparability. In Australia we've had outbreaks in 200 residential aged-care facilities, very unfortunately. That's 7.7 per cent of the 2,706 residential aged-care facilities in Australia. In the UK, of the 9,081 care homes, 56 per cent have had an outbreak. (Time expired)