Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians and Minister for Youth and Sport) (14:37): I've just, in my previous answer, indicated a couple of things with respect to the process that we are currently going through. Firstly— The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, on a point of order? Senator O'Neill: I'm listening very carefully. The minister just wound up to indicate he's going to talk about a process. I've got no process question embedded in what I asked. It was simply: does the minister stand by his claim with regard to a statement of the royal commissioner? The PRESIDENT: The minister was clearly preparing to answer. We cannot take points of order on what a minister may be saying; I have to listen carefully to what he is saying. I will listen carefully. With respect, he had been speaking for about 14 seconds. Senator Colbeck. Senator COLBECK: This is an important reform that was recommended by the Tune review. The royal commission said— The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, on a point of order? Senator O'Neill: My question goes nowhere near the Tune review. My question goes to the minister's claim that the government's plan to put aged-care services out to tender was supported by the Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety. That is it. That is all there is. There is nothing else to work with, Senator Colbeck. The PRESIDENT: You have reminded the minister of the question. I heard him talking about the government's plans. I can't instruct him how to answer a question. I've given you the opportunity to remind him of it again. I will listen carefully to his remaining 28 seconds. Senator Colbeck. Senator COLBECK: In context and in time line, this reform was recommended by Tune in 2017; and the royal commission, in its report last year, said the reform was urgent. And yes, I do believe that supports my view that this reform should go ahead. The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, a final supplementary question.