Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians and Minister for Youth and Sport) (14:20): I completely reject the premise of the question, because if the program is that way, so is the Leader of the Opposition. In fact, so is Catherine King, because her record is worse than Mr Albanese's. Catherine King actually signed off ineligible projects, projects that were assessed by her department as not eligible. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Please, I would like to hear Senator Colbeck. Senator Colbeck. Senator COLBECK: I completely reject the premise of the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, on a point of order. Senator Watt: On relevance. When was he first briefed about this program? The PRESIDENT: There were descriptive terms in the question that the minister is entitled to challenge in his answer and be directly relevant, and I think he is being directly relevant on multiple occasions even if not answering the part of the question that you've highlighted. Senator Colbeck. Senator COLBECK: My understanding of the Auditor-General's report came at the release of the report, because I didn't have access to that information prior. I received a copy of the report in the usual course of events and that's when I had a broader understanding of the program. (Time expired)