Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:27): Based on the statements that have been made, that the document was downloaded from the City of Sydney website, that is obviously a question that I am not in a position to answer. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Birmingham, I have Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: I'm asking about this minister's knowledge about who created the document. If he doesn't know, he should say that in the parliament. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cormann, on the point of order? Senator Cormann: If Senator Wong did not spend as much time interjecting, which is disorderly, and if she actually listened to the answer that the minister was giving, she would have heard that that he was actually making the very explicit, directly relevant point that he could not possibly be able to answer that question, because, as has been stated in the past, it was a document that was downloaded from a website. So the minister was directly relevant and directly answering the question. The PRESIDENT: On the point of order, Senator Wong? I will take another submission before I rule. Senator Wong: Thank you, Mr President. The question goes to the minister's knowledge. I'm asking the minister to respond to that question. The PRESIDENT: The question was: who created the document? The minister is allowed to actually explain an alternate view of the source of the document, which is what I believe he is doing, so I think he is being directly relevant. Senator BIRMINGHAM: Mr President, let me be very clear for Senator Wong's understanding: the document, according to Mr Taylor, was downloaded from the City of Sydney website, and, Senator Wong, I do not know who runs the City of Sydney website, aside from the City of Sydney.