Senator AYRES (New South Wales) (14:00): My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Cormann. The former commissioner of the New South Wales Independent Commission Against Corruption, David Ipp, in relation to the Prime Minister's phone call to the New South Wales Commissioner of Police, said: You can't see that it's information that relates to matters of state interest. It can only relate to matters of party interest. If it relates to matters of party interest then he's using his influence as prime minister to try to obtain the information so that he can make the politically correct decision – that is, whether to keep Taylor or to fire him. Does the minister concede that the Prime Minister's phone call to the New South Wales police commissioner was inappropriate? The PRESIDENT: Before I call Senator Cormann, I remind members to use appropriate terminology. Perhaps I misheard, but please use 'Mr Taylor' or 'the minister' rather than just his surname.