Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians and Minister for Youth and Sport) (14:59): As I've said a number of times already, every project approved by Minister McKenzie under the guidelines for that program met the guidelines for the program. As the delegate for— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: A point of order of direct relevance. The question is not about program guidelines. It is about the broader procurement guidelines, which is a separate question. I'd ask that the minister return to that issue. The PRESIDENT: You've reminded the minister of that question. He's been speaking for 17 seconds, and I'll give him an opportunity to continue. Senator COLBECK: Minister McKenzie was the delegate to approve projects under the program. She expended her responsibilities to approve projects, under the program, as was her responsibility and as she was entitled to do as the delegate under the program. The PRESIDENT: Senator Farrell, on a point of order? Senator Farrell: Yes, on a point of order. Senator McKenzie or Senator Colbeck have nothing to hide. Can they please answer the question directly? The PRESIDENT: I can't instruct the minister how to answer the question. I'm listening carefully. Have you concluded? Senator Colbeck has concluded. Senator Cormann is seeking the call. Senator Cormann: I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.