Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:53): I am confident that the Prime Minister regularly corresponds with and talks to Mr Jones. But, leaving that to one side, the case that the honourable senator is referencing has been comprehensively reviewed—not just by the government but by several courts—ever since they arrived here, without a visa, by boat, illegally, in 2012, and they've been found not to be valid refugees. They've been found not to be asylum seekers. In fact, every court up to the High Court— Senator Watt: My point of order is on relevance. Senator Cormann ignored the first question. Is he going to answer this question, which is whether Mr Alan Jones is wrong? The PRESIDENT: With all due respect, Senator Watt, it is entirely in order for the minister to respond to some of the quotations used too. In my notes of the question, the minister is being directly relevant to the other assertions made in the question, and you've reminded him of the third part of the question. Senator CORMANN: The Prime Minister and our government will continue to uphold the law because to do otherwise would put the people smugglers back into it business. It would again give them a product to sell and would again put vulnerable people at risk. Of course, the last time Labor went weak at the knees, 1,200 people died at sea. The PRESIDENT: Senator Green, a final supplementary question?