Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Minister for Agriculture and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:21): Senator Di Natale: if we took your approach to addressing climate change, we'd shut everything down tomorrow and do you know what? The fires would still be going and the volunteers would still be having to find non-existent water from empty dams because of drought. So, despite your protestations, it's a flaccid argument—it really is; absolutely. The reality is that, if we took your approach and closed everything down, the fire would still be burning, the firefighters would still be in danger, as would our farms— The PRESIDENT: Senator Di Natale, on a point of order? Senator Di Natale: My point of order is on relevance again. The question was very clear. I asked why the government disbanded the Secretaries Group on Climate Risk, who were preparing for climate catastrophes like the one we're experiencing right now. The PRESIDENT: On the point of order: Senator McKenzie, you have been speaking for half the answer. There has been some liberality in issues raised, but I will ask you to turn to the question. Senator McKENZIE: In terms of the secretaries group that you speak of, I'll have to take that aspect of the question on notice. But I can speak for my own secretary in the Department of Agriculture, who is absolutely focused on rolling out a suite of initiatives and programs throughout the Department of Agriculture's suite of programs to address and mitigate climate change.