Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Deputy Leader of The Nationals and Minister for Regional Services, Sport, Local Government and Decentralisation) (14:49): The National Farmers' Federation has long advocated that we need to fill the skills shortages out in the regions. I can remember doing a Senate inquiry with Senator Lines many, many years ago through the Senate education and employment committee, where we heard directly from producers right down the east coast on the lack of labour in businesses, from strawberry farms to abattoirs. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order. Senator Jacinta Collins: Let's go on a travelogue! Senator Wong: The travelogue is all very interesting, but the question was whether or not Ms Simson's comment that Mr Morrison's announcement was 'a shallow approach to a deep problem' was correct. The PRESIDENT: On the point of order, Senator McKenzie, Senator Wong has reminded you of the specific nature of the question with respect to that program. You have 35 seconds remaining to answer. Senator McKENZIE: This is a complex issue, as we found when we conducted the Senate inquiry. It's not as simple as the head of the ACTU at the time said: 'We've got X number of unemployed people in an area, and Y number of jobs. We just put them together. We just smash them together.' That was actually the advice of the trade union movement— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, on a point of order. Senator Cameron: The point of order is on relevance. This is not about the ACTU. This is about the National Farmers' Federation saying that the government's position was a 'shallow approach to a deep problem'. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, I take the point of order. Not all points of order are an opportunity to restate the question. Senator McKenzie was directly addressing, at that particular point in her answer, the nature of the problem. Senator McKENZIE: As I stated, it is a complex issue. Labour mobility in this country has been a longstanding issue. I wish that we actually had a lot more Australians coming and joining us in regional Australia, not just with the food task but with a whole raft of job opportunities— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, a final supplementary question.