Senator SCULLION (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Affairs and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:15): Wait times for individuals differ according to their approved package level, their priority for care and the date on which they're actually approved for care. We currently expect the maximum wait time—for example, for a person on their first home care package, which is a level 1—to be between one and three months. That's for most people who are entering the queue. But, of course, as you move from one package to the next package, you release a package for those people who are waiting on a different package. When we report the waiting list or when we look at— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Scullion, please resume your seat. Senator Cameron, on a point of order. Senator Cameron: A point of order on relevance. The question was clear and unequivocal: how many older Australians currently are on the government's home care package waitlist? The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, you've restated the question. I'm listening very carefully. When very specific questions are asked requiring facts of ministers, the term 'directly relevant' needs to be strictly applied. I remind ministers of that when questions of this nature are asked. I call Senator Scullion, who has 16 seconds remaining to answer. Senator SCULLION: Just on the point of order, my understanding is that I was asked how many people are not receiving care who are on a waiting list for a package. That's what I understood, not to be what— The PRESIDENT: And that's why I was not ruling you not being directly relevant; I was reminding all ministers that, when very specific questions are asked, the term is there for a reason. That's why I called you to continue your answer, Senator Scullion. Senator SCULLION: The levels of support are not only within packages. For example, the Commonwealth Home Support Program, which they receive as well— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Polley on a point of order. Senator Polley: Relevance, Mr President. You gave the minister the direction that he needed to go in. The question was: how many people are currently on your waiting list that receive no packages at all? The PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, I was listening very carefully and I believe the minister at that point was being directly relevant. Senators who ask questions also need to remember that I cannot instruct a minister how to answer a question as long as he's being directly relevant to it. In that case, the minister was being directly relevant. Senator Scullion, you have four seconds remaining. Senator SCULLION: The Commonwealth are providing $2.5 billion in additional— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Bilyk, a final supplementary.