Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance and the Public Service, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:03): As I've already indicated, the government will continue to consider all options to boost women's super. But, of course, under Labor, women, including and in particular older women, will be worse off. Remember who announced the granny tax. Who announced the granny tax? Who wants to put their hands into the pockets of older women around Australia and increase taxes on their retirement savings? It is none other than Mr Shorten. That is what he did when he was the Minister for Financial Services and Superannuation when Labor were last in government. He kept using people's retirement savings as his personal ATM. He used to— The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, on a point of order. Senator O'Neill: The question was about homelessness and poverty, and those words have not passed the minister's lips. I call your attention to the relevance of his response. The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, the question also included the word 'why', and by that nature it is a relatively open-ended question. You've reminded the minister of part of the question. I note that he has 23 seconds remaining. Senator Cormann. Senator CORMANN: Picking up on— Senator Cameron: On a point of order, the Leader of the Government in the Senate has indicated that Mr Shorten was using— The PRESIDENT: What is your point of order, Senator Cameron? Senator Cameron: My point of order is that he should withdraw that statement. The PRESIDENT: I didn't hear— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cameron: It's a reflection— Senator CORMANN: I can assist the Senate and advise that that was not what I meant to say. What I meant to say was that Mr Shorten used the retirement savings of Australians as an ATM to fund Labor's spending in government. Senator Cameron: But not personally. Senator CORMANN: No. The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, a final supplementary question.