Senator SCULLION (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Affairs and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:28): In terms of those people who are on the wait list for, generally, levels 2, 3 or 4—most of the level 2 packages are dealt with— Senator Siewert: Levels 3 and 4. Senator SCULLION: That's what I've indicated—almost half of those in the queue are receiving interim care. Offering them high-level packages through the release of additional high-level packages will free up their existing packages for someone else. And we already indicated, in an earlier answer, that we've made some investments in additional high-level packages. We've invested in 20,000 new, high-level home-care packages, as I've indicated. As you move to a higher home-care package, then others can take their place. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Scullion! Senator O'Neill on a point of order? Senator O'Neill: On relevance. Can the minister confirm that more than 108,000 Australians are waiting? The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, at least make the point of order addressed to the President. It's not simply an opportunity to restate the question. On the point of order, I believe the minister is being directly relevant to the question asked. I cannot instruct him how to answer the question. He is addressing the topic of the question asked. I'm listening very carefully. Senator SCULLION: There are now also more people than ever before receiving home care packages. That was before the announcement of an additional 20,000 packages. The number of people in care has increased by 13.5 per cent over the year from 68,657 on 31 December 2016 to 77,918 on 31 December 2017. Wait times for individuals differ according to whatever package level they have, their priority for care and the due date they were approved for care. We're currently expecting the maximum wait time for the person's first home care level to be one and three months for most people who are entering the queue. The PRESIDENT: On a point of order, Senator O'Neill? Senator O'Neill: My point of order goes to relevance. There was one question. It asked if the minister could confirm that there are 108,000 Australians waiting. The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, the minister is directly addressing the topic of your question. It is not up to me. I am not able to direct the minister how to answer the question, but he is being directly relevant to the question. Senator SCULLION: As I've indicated, we remain committed to older Australians and to keeping them at home. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, on a supplementary question?