Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:59): I don't know how much money Senator Ketter has ever raised for charitable organisations for the Great Barrier Reef in his career, but it, of course, is not unusual; it's not unusual for government departments to employ contractors for specific purposes, it's not usual for non-government organisations to employ contractors and it's not unusual for foundations to employ contractors. This is all just part of the Labor Party's mudraking, smearing campaign. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: My point of order is on direct relevance. I know the minister wants to avoid the question and abuse people, but the question is: if they are so good at fundraising—which is why you gave them half a billion dollars—why do they have to appoint a consultant? The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, with respect, I think Senator Birmingham was actually addressing the issue of a consultant or a contractor and was being directly relevant. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Unless I missed the last bit. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Well, after that, he was specifically referring to a contractor. Senator BIRMINGHAM: As I was highlighting, I'm sure the Department of the Senate probably employs contractors to help with different aspects of work that you could say was their core activity. It's not usual for a whole range of organisations. The Labor Party and the trade unions probably employ contractors from time to time as well, I'm sure. But, ultimately, we want to ensure they get every additional extra private dollar to help the Great Barrier Reef, alongside the record investments the Turnbull government is making. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ketter, a final supplementary question.