Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:32): Once again, if there's further information in relation to the specifics of the energy mix, I will happily provide that to the senator in due course. I was just outlining some of the AEMO projections in relation to the energy mix, but an important point is that the government is not designing the NEG around the expectation that one or another energy generator ought to be supported over and above another particular one. We are developing the NEG on the basis of a neutral approach to technology, with a precondition and focus being on ensuring that it's reliable, that we have dispatchable energy in the market when it's required and, critically, that it's driving down prices. Driving down prices is what Australians care about. Australians care about the fact that, when they flick the switch, it's going to come on and, when they get the bill, it's going to cost them less. And that's what our policies will deliver. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Marshall, a final supplementary question.