Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:14): I'm not sure how things work in the Labor Party caucus. We've heard Senator Cameron and others talk before about them all being treated like zombies. An honourable senator interjecting— Senator BIRMINGHAM: 'Lobotomised zombies'—that's right; that's what Senator Cameron said the approach to the Labor caucus was. But in the coalition party room we work through each of the stages. So, yes, the National Energy Guarantee has been discussed in the coalition party room and the steps have been taken to endorse it at each step. Of course, the National Energy Guarantee will result in legislation. That legislation, too, will be considered by the coalition party room and we'll make sure that it has the fair and proper consideration. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Birmingham, please resume your seat. Senator Cameron, on a point of order. Senator Cameron: Yes, a point of order on relevance. The question was: 'Who is telling the truth: the Prime Minister, Mr Kelly or Mr Pasin?' The minister has not gone anywhere near that point, and he should at least have the question drawn to his attention. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, you've reminded the minister of the question. The minister is allowed to address other parts of the question as well. Senator Birmingham. Senator BIRMINGHAM: Thanks, Mr President. As I was making very clear, each step of the NEG to date has been endorsed by the coalition party room and the next steps will rightly go to the coalition party room too, exactly as is the normal process. But, of course, those opposite don't want to talk about the policy; they're interested only in the politics, because for them it's a track record of power prices only going up, whereas we're delivering the policies to drive power prices down. (Time expired)