Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance, Special Minister of State and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:22): If your question is whether we engage with the Business Council of Australia as an important peak body, an important stakeholder—of course we do. Do I have conversations with the Business Council of Australia? Of course I do. I would encourage Bill Shorten to have a conversation with the Business Council from time to time too. We know that Albo wants to engage with the business community. Mr Shorten is all about the war on business— The PRESIDENT: Order. Senator Cormann, you should refer to members of the other place by their appropriate name and title. Senator Wong, on a point of order. Senator Wong: There are two points of order: the first is the appropriateness of the titles he used; the second is direct relevance. This is about whether or not data obtained by the BCA, through this front organisation, is being shared with the Liberal Party for political purposes. It is a serious question and you should answer it, Minister. The PRESIDENT: I note the minister has 34 seconds remaining to answer. Senator CORMANN: I know that the Labor Party's into conspiracy theories. I'm not the Liberal Party. I do engage with the Business Council in relation to— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Cormann. Senator Collins on a point of order. Senator Jacinta Collins: Yes, thank you. Again, this supplementary question refers to the minister's office and I ask him to take on notice the elements of it that he himself can't answer. The PRESIDENT: Senator Collins, asking a minister to take something on notice is not a point of order. Senator Jacinta Collins interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Collins, while I'm ruling on your point of order, I ask you to remain silent! A government senator interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I will ask senators on my right to do the same. Senator CORMANN: The only two front groups that I'm aware of are GetUp! for Labor and the Greens and the Australia Institute for the Greens. I'm not aware of the front group that you are referencing. I know that there are some organisations that are talking against our national interest. We are all about creating more jobs and creating better opportunities for all Australians to get ahead, and we will engage with business, of course, because we want them to be more successful. The PRESIDENT: Senator Keneally, a final supplementary question.