Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance, Special Minister of State and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:13): There was a great motion in the Senate yesterday that I think the Senate voted on. What the government made very clear yesterday is that our National Energy Guarantee, which is our policy, will actually facilitate, in a completely technology-neutral way, the necessary energy generation, including coal-fired power generation, into the future. It is expected that, by 2030, 60 per cent of our energy generation will still come from coal under our National Energy Guarantee. We want to get the best deal for Australian families— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong on a point of order? Senator Wong: The point of order is on direct relevance. There was only one question: would the minister rule out the provision of a loan facility or other taxpayer support for new coal-fired power? The PRESIDENT: You've reminded the minister of the question, Senator Wong. He has 21 seconds remaining to answer. Senator CORMANN: The thing that Senator Wong finds difficult is that Labor gets to ask the questions and I get to answer the questions. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Collins. Senator Jacinta Collins: He's again flouting standing orders. The PRESIDENT: I actually didn't hear the first phrase. I was taking note of your point of order. I'll ask Senator Cormann to return to the question asked in his remaining— Senator Jacinta Collins interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Collins! I'm ruling on your point of order, if you could remain silent while I do so. I ask you to return to the question, Senator Cormann. Senator CORMANN: As I've already indicated, the government's policy is the National Energy Guarantee. That will be able to facilitate any electricity generation necessary in our national interest.