Senator McKIM (Tasmania) (14:17): Given it's been quite widely reported in the media, that surprises me, Minister. Can you confirm that your government has offered, in fact, to transfer this man to— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKim, please pause. I'm going to insist that I can hear the questions for inevitable points of order. Senator McKIM: Can you confirm that your government has offered to transfer the man to Taiwan, where the AMA notes: There is no Hazara community… he has no friends or family there, no-one to translate from his language, and no-one to perform the Shia Muslim rituals after his death. Why do you want this man to die lonely and unsupported? (Time expired) Senator Ian Macdonald: You disgusting grub! Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, there were a number of insults going around the chamber, but I did not hear the word you just used. Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I didn't hear it. Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: I'm reluctant to have to do it but the word was used by Senator Macdonald, as he regularly does. I ask him to withdraw it. Do you want me to repeat it? The PRESIDENT: For the operation of the chamber, Senator Macdonald, and to continue question time, I'll ask you to withdraw that. Senator Ian Macdonald: If 'grub' is unparliamentary—and I must say I never knew that, after my time here—I withdraw it. The PRESIDENT: I will come back to the chamber with advice on that word. Senator Hinch, did you have a point of order? Senator Hinch: It was used at this end of the chamber during that exchange. The PRESIDENT: Are you asking for someone to withdraw? Senator Hinch: If Senator Macdonald has to withdraw, I would ask Senator McKim to withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKim? Senator McKim: I withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Senator Fifield, I will ask you to answer the part of the question which was asked during the time limit.