Senator HANSON-YOUNG (South Australia) (14:23): The minister may not have seen all the members on his backbench who put their hands up and said, 'Yes, we want to sell off the ABC.' Minister, as a former staff member of the IPA and as a member of the IPA—as Georgina Downer, the candidate for Mayo, is—can you please explain why the government keeps preselecting members who want to sell off the ABC? Senator Cormann: On a point of order, that question is entirely out of order. It does not relate to the minister's area of portfolio responsibility. The minister does not have responsibility in his portfolio for preselection matters in the Liberal Party. The PRESIDENT: We have traditionally taken a wide berth with respect to relevance. I'll give the minister the opportunity to respond to the question, if he wishes.