Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:15): Senator Watt comes in here and seeks to try to run hypothetical questions about discussions that— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: It's not hypothetical. It's the government's announced deal with One Nation. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, it's for ministers— Senator Cormann interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I was happy to rule on it, Senator Cormann, but if you'd like to, on the point of order? Senator Cormann: On the point of order: the government has made no announcement. Senator Birmingham is quite right. The government has not made any announcements. The minister is quite right that this is just hypothetical at the moment. The PRESIDENT: It is up to ministers how they answer a question. I will take on face value that ministers make announcements on behalf of the government they represent. Senator Birmingham. Senator BIRMINGHAM: I can assure Senator Watt and all senators that the Turnbull government will continue to work hard to undo the damage caused by the Labor Party to Australia's vocational education system; that we will continue to work hard to ensure that the VET Student Loans program is a success; and that we will absolutely be open, as we have been, to ensure that we continue to look at areas to grow apprenticeships and to pilot or trial different programs. Indeed, as this government has demonstrated, we are also willing to work cooperatively with the crossbench—indeed, with anybody in this chamber. What we would welcome is an opposition who wanted, once in a while, to work constructively, but, of course, that is far too much to wish for, that those opposite could ever work in the national interest rather than their own political interest. The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, a final supplementary question.