Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance, Special Minister of State and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:18): Nothing that Senator Keneally has just put is in any way inconsistent with the answer that I gave to the primary question. We've got 167,000 public servants. From time to time some of these public servants will feel the need to do some work on certain things that— Senator Wong interjecting— Senator CORMANN: You know what? From time to time, people consider various things, because they're part of the public debate that is pursued, including by the Labor Party. But that does not mean that at any point this was— Senator Wong: This has nothing to do with us. This is Treasury. Senator CORMANN: This does not mean that at any point the government either considered or asked for or made a decision to support such a policy. I can assure you, and I can assure the self-funded retirees and the pensioners of Australia, that a Turnbull-led Liberal-National party government will not put its hands into the pockets of pensioners and self-funded retirees with a policy like this of changing the— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Keneally, a final supplementary question.