Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Attorney-General, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:35): Through you, Mr President: Senator Ketter, because it will be anything but a talkfest. Just as the Prime Minister's meeting with the CEOs of the major gas exporters produced real results, so will the meeting tomorrow, to which he has summoned the CEOs of the energy companies, produce real results. Senator Ketter, I mentioned a moment ago that the Australian Labor Party's approach to energy policy is not based on engineering, not based on pragmatism and not based on the needs on the needs of consumers; it's based on ideology. And perhaps that's the reason, Senator Ketter, why in South Australia, under the government of Premier Weatherill, the lights went out. A state Labor government that can't even keep the power on is in no position to lecture a government that has had a successful energy policy on how to conduct it. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ketter, a final supplementary question.