Senator RYAN (Victoria—Special Minister of State and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Cabinet) (14:21): Purchasing, possessing and taking these products is against the law. So let's start with that. If you want to talk about civil liberties, Senator Siewert, it is against the law. But we know the Greens do not care about breaking laws that you think should be broken, whether it is protesting and trashing equipment— The PRESIDENT: A point of order, Senator Siewert? Senator Siewert: Bring the minister's attention to the question that I asked—about unemployment. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, on both sides! Thank you, Senator Siewert. I think the minister was addressing the question. And, Minister, could I advise you also to address your remarks to me and not directly across the chamber. Senator RYAN: My apologies, Mr President. Senator Siewert, in some cases, habitual drug use of illicit substances is indeed a barrier to employment. And, quite frankly, preventing people from falling into a habit of long-term habitual drug use and providing them with the services requires detection. It actually does mean that some people will, hopefully, avoid that habit and will have a better chance of employment.