Senator SINODINOS (New South Wales—Minister for Industry, Innovation and Science) (14:58): I thank the honourable senator for his question and his ongoing interest in industry, innovation and science in many ways. One of the pillars of the Turnbull government's National Innovation and Science Agenda— Senator Cameron: Did you say 'one of the pillows'? Senator SINODINOS: Pillars. I will get you a pillow, Senator Cameron, if that will suit you better. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator SINODINOS: They do not want to hear about the National Innovation and Science Agenda. Doesn't that say it all? They are worried about talking about that pillar that we call government leading by example. I am proud that under the Turnbull government in areas like defence innovation we are leading the way through our naval military shipbuilding program. We are using that procurement to drive innovation throughout the Australian economy through upstream and downstream linkages. I am proud of the fact that we have got the Digital Transformation Agency, which is going to revolutionise the delivery of government services. We are going to be digitising government services and improving our capability, which will lead to better services for all the people who rely on government in various ways, whether it is people in business or people seeking to access their payments from the government. We are using science and innovation to improve our energy policy options. Through the National Innovation and Science Agenda we are also serving our agenda around research infrastructure. We are going to be encouraging a 10-year plan on research infrastructure promoting what I believe are globe-leading facilities in this country which will promote collaboration between research, government and industry. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Smith, a supplementary question.