Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Attorney-General, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:19): Senator Moore, I hope you were not accusing me of insulting you. I was merely pointing out that, in the political culture from which you come, the vigorous discussion of ideas is not regarded as a virtue. But on my side of the chamber, Senator Moore, it most certainly is, because we believe that a vigorous debate produces the best outcomes. Turning to your question— The PRESIDENT: Order! Pause the clock! Senator Cameron: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance and also on the conduct of the Attorney-General. For 30 seconds he has been addressing Senator Moore directly, which is not proper, and he has not dealt with the question. Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, on the point of order: talking about the demeanour of the chamber, I can barely hear Senator Brandis. I am pleased to say that Senator Wong, with a bit of help from you and me, is now behaving herself, but because of the rest of them, I simply cannot hear Senator Brandis. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I will first of all remind all senators to keep the noise down, especially senators on my left at present. Secondly, on the point of order, Senator Cameron, one part of your point of order was correct—the Attorney-General should direct his remarks to me and not to Senator Moore. On the second point, in relation to relevance, the minister was relevant. In fact, he started addressing the question quite directly. Attorney-General, you are in order, and please address your remarks to the chair, as all senators should. Senator BRANDIS: Thank you, Mr President. I will do so. Through you, Mr President, to Senator Moore: the National Firearms Agreement is something that is very, very important. It is supported by state and territory governments of both political persuasions—and it is supported by the Commonwealth government, because we believe that there should be appropriate controls of firearms, and we have delivered on that. Senator Moore, once again, judge a government by its results. On the issues that you raised, the results are in. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Moore, a final supplementary question.